Umukinnyi w’icyamamare n’umuyobozi w’ikinamico “Sinners” bamaze imyaka irenga icumi bazamukana mu rugendo rwabo rwa sinema. Mu kiganiro bagiranye, basobanuye uko bafitanye isano yihariye.
Mu mateka ya sinema, ubucuti bukomeye hagati y’abayobora amafilime n’abakinnyi babo b’ibihe byose burazwi cyane — nka Martin Scorsese na Robert De Niro, Pedro Almodóvar na Antonio Banderas, cyangwa Kelly Reichardt na Michelle Williams. Ariko, ntihigeze habaho ubufatanye bworoshye kandi buhamye nk’ubwa Ryan Coogler na Michael B. Jordan.
Ubufatanye bwabo bwatangiye ubwo bari bari mu bikorwa byo guhitamo abakinnyi ba “Fruitvale Station” mu 2013. Kuva ubwo, Jordan yakinnye cyangwa akagaragara muri buri filime eshanu Coogler yayoboye, harimo Black Panther ebyiri na Creed. Filime yabo nshya “Sinners”, izajya mu mazu yerekana filime ku wa 18 Mata, yazamuye urwego rw’ubufatanye bwabo, kuko Jordan akinamo impanga ebyiri: Smoke na Stack, abajura b’abahanga bahura n’imbaraga zidasanzwe zibabuza gushinga inzu y’ibyishimo mu gihe cy’ivangura rikabije (Jim Crow) muri Leta ya Mississippi.
Coogler, wahoze ari umukinnyi wa ruhago muri kaminuza, yavuze ko yize agaciro k’ubufatanye buhoraho akiri umukinnyi wa wide receiver:
“Hari igihe nagiraga aba quarterback bane cyangwa batanu mu mwaka umwe, kandi byarangoraga cyane,” yagize ati. “Byatumye menya akamaro k’imikoranire isobanutse iyo wayibonye.”
Mu kiganiro bagiranye mu kwezi gushize muri lounge y’i New York, Coogler na Jordan basubije amaso inyuma ku rugendo rwabo binyuze kuri buri filime bakoze. Ikiganiro cyahindutse amarangamutima cyane ubwo bagarukaga kuri “Black Panther: Wakanda Forever”, bakoze nyuma y’urupfu rwa Chadwick Boseman, wari umukinnyi mukuru wa Black Panther ya mbere.
Muri “Sinners,” Michael akinamo impanga zifite izina ribi, ariko filime irerekana uko bagerageza gufungura inzu y’ibyishimo izafasha abaturage kubona akazi n’ahantu ho kuruhukira. Ushaka ko babigeraho. Ni ikintu kigenda kigaruka muri buri filime mwakoze: abakinnyi nyamukuru bafite inenge zifatika, cyangwa abanzi bateye impuhwe.
RYAN COOGLER: Ibyo ni ikimenyetso cy’uburyo afite umwihariko mu gukurura amarangamutima. Iyo gusa umwerekanye kuri kamera, umuntu ahita amwitaho uti “Yooo, ndamugiriye impuhwe.” Iyo usunitse iyo nzira ukareba kure ushobora kugera, ariko abantu bakamugumaho, ni bwo ubona ubusumbane bushishikaje. Kuri njye, Jordan yaba atari we muntu wakina iyo ari umukinnyi udafite inenge n’imperuka.
Kuko byatuma biba ibitari impamo. Ntekereza ko ukeneye ubwo busumbane kugira ngo ibintu bigaragare nk’iby’ukuri.
RYAN COOGLER: Nari nzi ko azitwara neza muri filime, ariko hari ibindi byinshi bitari ku isura byantunguye. Uburyo yari umuntu wicisha bugufi, wubaha, wiyubashye, ukunda umuryango, ariko kandi unaharanira ubuhanga no kuba indashyikirwa. Byatangiye turi bombi twiyemeje tuti: “Reka dukore ikintu gikomeye,” wumva ibyo mvuga? “Niba turi hano, tuba hano koko.”
MICHAEL B. JORDAN: Gukinira muri sinema ni urugendo rw’ubwigunge. Hari “oya” nyinshi, n’ibitekerezo byinshi by’umuntu wiyibazaho cyane cyane mu ntangiriro. Natangiye nkiri muto, ugerageza kwimenya — kwibaza uwo uri we muri uru ruganda, aho igihe kirekire bataguhaga amahirwe yo kuba uwo ushaka kuba we. Mu gihe cy’ingenzi, aho nari mpangayitse cyane nuzuyemo gushidikanya, Ryan yarambwiye ati: “Yewe Mike, njye nemera ko uri icyamamare muri sinema, kandi nshaka ko n’abandi bose babibona.”
Ibyo byampaye icyizere n’ihumure nari nkeneye. Byatumye ndushaho gushyiraho umwete, binongera umuriro w’icyifuzo cyanjye wo kubyemeza no kubigeraho koko.
‘Fruitvale Station’ (2013)
“Fruitvale” niyo yari filime ya mbere wayoboye, Ryan, kandi ari nayo Michael yakinnye bwa mbere ari umukinnyi w’imena. Ni iki cyabaye muri ubwo bunararibonye cyatumye mufatanya cyane?
RYAN COOGLER: Nari nzi ko azitwara neza muri filime, ariko hari ibindi byinshi bitari ku isura byantunguye. Uburyo yari umuntu wicisha bugufi, wubaha, wiyubashye, ukunda umuryango, ariko kandi unaharanira ubuhanga no kuba indashyikirwa. Byatangiye turi bombi twiyemeje tuti: “Reka dukore ikintu gikomeye,” wumva ibyo mvuga? “Niba turi hano, tuba hano koko.”
MICHAEL B. JORDAN: Gukinira muri sinema ni urugendo rw’ubwigunge. Hari “oya” nyinshi, n’ibitekerezo byinshi by’umuntu wiyibazaho cyane cyane mu ntangiriro. Natangiye nkiri muto, ugerageza kwimenya — kwibaza uwo uri we muri uru ruganda, aho igihe kirekire bataguhaga amahirwe yo kuba uwo ushaka kuba we. Mu gihe cy’ingenzi, aho nari mpangayitse cyane nuzuyemo gushidikanya, Ryan yarambwiye ati: “Yewe Mike, njye nemera ko uri icyamamare muri sinema, kandi nshaka ko n’abandi bose babibona.”
Ibyo byampaye icyizere n’ihumure nari nkeneye. Byatumye ndushaho gushyiraho umwete, binongera umuriro w’icyifuzo cyanjye wo kubyemeza no kubigeraho koko.
‘Creed’ (2015)
Ikindi kintu kigaragara mu bikorwa byanyu byose ni abakinnyi bafite ibibazo bijyanye n’ababyeyi, cyane cyane se.
RYAN COOGLER (aseka): Ibyo byinshi biterwa n’ibihangano biba byaranditswe mbere (IP – Intellectual Property). Muri “Creed,” nashakaga gukora filime ivuga kuri Apollo Creed, ariko uwo Carl Weathers yakinaga yarapfuye muri “Rocky IV,” niyo mpamvu twashatse indi nzira y’uburyo bwo kubyinjiramo.
Naho ibya Killmonger? Namujyanye i Oakland, ariko ibindi byose byerekeye ubuzima bwe byavuye mu bitabo bya comics uko byanditswe nta kintu kinini nahinduyeho.
Ku bijyanye na “Sinners,” kuri njye, impanga zisa nk’inkuru ya Kayini na Abeli. Naratangiye kwibaza nti, ‘Ese byagenda bite niba aho Kayini yica Abeli, ahubwo yica Adamu?’ Niba abo bavandimwe bombi baba begeranye cyane ku buryo nta kintu cyabatanya?”
[Mu migani ivugwa kuri izo mpanga muri filime harimo n’inkuru y’uko bishe se.]
Nifuzaga cyane no kwinjira mu mwuka w’indirimbo za blues n’ibimenyetso by’ibanze byazo, kuko byari bimeze nk’ikintu umuntu w’umuririmbyi wa blues yakwiririmba.
Uburyo mbanye na papa wanjye ni bwiza (aseka). Ntabwo ari bwiza gusa, burakomeye nk’ubw’abantu benshi. Ni umwe mu bantu b’ingenzi cyane mu buzima bwanjye.
Black Panther (2018)
Michael yazanye iki mu mwanya wa Killmonger kitari mu bitabo bya comics?
RYAN COOGLER: Ibyo bitabo byose byanditswe n’abayahudi b’abazungu bakuraga byinshi mu muco wa ba Nyafurika bo muri Amerika, ariko nanjye nifuzaga ko filime yumvikanamo ishingiye ku mugabane wa Afurika.
Killmonger ni we mukinnyi umwe rukumbi uhagarariye imitekerereze y’umwirabura wo muri Amerika 100%. Iyo ageze muri filime, ibintu bihinduka. Avuga uko asanzwe avuga, yambara uko asanzwe yambara, wumva ibyo mvuga? Ako kanya ahita ahinduka ishusho y’iyo mitekerereze isenya ibitekerezo by’abandi bakinnyi.
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022)
Michael, ugira uruhare rumwe muri iyo filime, aho Killmonger abonekera Shuri mu iyerekwa. Uwawe yari yarapfuye ku mpera ya Black Panther ya mbere. Wari warasabye kugira uruhare muri filime ikurikiraho?
MICHAEL B. JORDAN: Yeeh, ibyo biragoye… (aceceka gato). Uzi se, twahuye n’igihombo gikomeye. [Boseman yapfuye filime itaranozwa.]
Ariko mbere y’ibyo, hari indi gahunda yari iriho. Nari niteguye kureba aho byari bigiye kugana. (Asuhuza umutima). Coog yari afite akazi katoroshye, cyane cyane mu gutekereza ngo “Uva he? Ujya he?”
Ni gute wateza imbere iryo shyirahamwe rinini, ariko ukabikora uzi uko abantu bameze, ubyitondeye, ubyumva? Yagize icyo ahanga gikomeye akoresheje ibice bike byari bisigaye, maze abasha kugishyira hamwe. Kugeza n’ubu sinzi uko yabikoze.
“Impinduramatwara ya Chadwick yagiye iduha icyerekezo, no muri Sinners,” Jordan yavuze ku nyenyeri ya Black Panther, Chadwick Boseman.
(Ifoto: Dana Scruggs for The New York Times)
RYAN COOGLER: Killmonger yari mu gace ka filime nari naranditse mbere y’uko Chad apfa. Niyo mpamvu nagombaga kumuboneramo umwanya mu buryo bwumvikana mu nkuru nshya.
[Michael] icyo gihe yari i Atlanta arimo kuyobora “Creed 3,” ari bwo bwa mbere yifatiye kamera. Twamubonye umunsi umwe gusa.
Ariko twatekereje kuri iyo scene kugeza n’ubu ntewe ishema na yo. Byari byiza kongera kuba muri iriya ntebe y’ubwami [aho Shuri yahuriye n’iyerekwa rye, nk’uko byari byagenze muri filime ya mbere].
Ariko uzi se, urupfu rwe rwadushegeshe twese. (Coogler arunama, atangira kurira gahoro. Hashize iminota ibiri, yiyumanganya asubira mu kiganiro.) Kandi wenda we [erekana Jordan] ni we rwose rwagizeho ingaruka kurushaho.
Ikintu kimwe, uyu mwuga ni inzira igoye cyane nk’indi yose, kandi nta muntu wigeze atwitaho nka Chad.
MICHAEL B. JORDAN: Ntituri benshi mu bantu bakora ibyo dukora. Chad yatumye tumeze nk’ikipe yacu bwite, wumva ibyo mvuga? Byavuye ku kuba ari babiri tugahinduka batatu. (Yikanga amarira). Hanyuma bisubira kuri babiri.
Ariko uruhare rwe ruracyari kumwe natwe, ndetse no muri Sinners.
Ndibuka ubwo twakoraga igerageza rya mbere rya kamera, nkiri kwinjira mu myanya y’abakinnyi, Coog yahise anyibutsa uko Chad yigeze kwinjira mu mwanya wa T’Challa — uburyo yawubayemo nk’uko ari mu buzima busanzwe, kuva batangira gufata amashusho kugeza basoje.
Nahise mubwira nti: “Ntacyo uvuze kirenze icyo.” Uhereye ubwo, uburyo nakinnye iyo filime bwahindutse rwose.
